tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post767121515968068898..comments2024-03-21T15:34:56.904-07:00Comments on Eric's Music and Musings: You Are A Great Musician....You Should Consider being a T-ShirtestAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13434836978049681966noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-18904613809534789212012-08-29T17:33:46.177-07:002012-08-29T17:33:46.177-07:00Hi Guys! I hope you all have kept your feet dry th... Hi Guys! I hope you all have kept your feet dry the last couple of days. Please allow me to jump in on this. Although I was in radio for years,(filling out BMI logs by hand before computers took over that task) I always thought illegal downloads were mostly a problem for the big labels and to a lesser extent big name artists. I never realized it affected local cats so much! <br /> Now bear in mind I've been hanging around with musicians since the mid '70's, a lot less since I got out of radio a few years ago, but the point I want to make is this; If I don't know how much of a problem it is you can be damn sure most of the public doesn't know either. So maybe it would help if the public knew how much it takes out of your pockets. Every gig you do take 60 seconds to lay out the problem and ask the crowd not to steal from you. Every time you do a recording make the plea the first 30-60 seconds of the first track. Beat it into the ground and into their heads! Chico should have a banner made to hang on the trailer every Mardi Gras. Get club owners to print up and hang signs in every venue. Talk to Tim Camp at the ZEW and have them let a bunch of you record PSA's about the problem and get a promise that they will drop it in once or twice a day. <br /> As to these copyright weasels, well I understand most musicians are better people than I am and won't wanna screw up your karma but bar owners may more will to go this route at least in the short term.... when I was young and stupid, living in Miami I worked for a short while as a bouncer in a strip joint owned and operated by the mob. No kidding, real deal Mafia. When ASCAP guys came in the manager took them into the office and intimidated them so bad they left without a dime and didn't come back. A few months later somebody else would show up and it played out the same way. I'm not saying it was right but needs must and all that. The Gulf Coast has more killer musicians per square foot than any place outside N.Y. or L.A. maybe Chicago, and you deserve to get paid. <br /> Uncle Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08692342440561129896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-78535970388464703792012-08-24T10:30:54.860-07:002012-08-24T10:30:54.860-07:00Ya get what you pay or don't pay for ;)Ya get what you pay or don't pay for ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445634230341224025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-61488651156240502182012-08-24T10:29:19.370-07:002012-08-24T10:29:19.370-07:00You Rock Bird Man!! .......I say get the license t...You Rock Bird Man!! .......I say get the license through the provider. Business already pay more to have cable, juke-box and such according to capacity......whatever someone plays with his/her voice and his/her instrument should be his/her own....IMHO(i stole that word from graves......do I owe him some $?) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445634230341224025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-49485373218543316872012-08-24T09:15:47.359-07:002012-08-24T09:15:47.359-07:00Yea...and you haven't mentioned the cheap bar ...Yea...and you haven't mentioned the cheap bar owner who expects you to play for the door....who NOBODY want to pay a cover.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05282335696814285408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-39736608419978162102012-08-24T08:05:29.041-07:002012-08-24T08:05:29.041-07:00Hey Robby and Bob,
I really appreciate ya'l...Hey Robby and Bob,<br /> I really appreciate ya'll taking the time to comment here. You gave me some insight that I didn't not have before. You also caused me to search the interwebs for stories of misjustices of Performing Rights Organizations (i.e. ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, etc). I found some serious examples (a big one was Zoe Keating. her story :http://blog.thrillcall.com/2012/03/28/zoe-keating-on-how-ascap-robs-independent-artists/). So, thank you. I never claim to know everything and I welcome the opportunity to learn. And I learned some about PROs thanks to ya'll. <br /> However I still believe PROs are necessary. Do I think the current system is perfect and fair? No. Do I feel like it is skewed toward the "big artists" getting a disproportionate amount of cash while "smaller artists" get little? Yes. Do I think small music venues suffer (because for example...PROs judge a room by capacity not income)? Yes.<br /> But these are issues that need to be fixed with the system. Let's rally together and make them fix the system. I'm in. But I think destroying the system isn't the answer.<br /> To say there should be no licensing fees paid to songwriters by businesses who make money from having those songs played is wrong in my opinion. <br />So we may be of differing opinions on that, but we all agree that the current system is flawed. And I wanna say thank you for showing me a couple flaws I hadn't fully considered and inspiring me to search out even more flaws (via the internet). I appreciate it. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13434836978049681966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-54776882710229005082012-08-23T19:37:19.555-07:002012-08-23T19:37:19.555-07:00hey Robby I owned a Restaurant and bar for 10yrs a...hey Robby I owned a Restaurant and bar for 10yrs and fought this for 10yrs...I think it is total bullshit!!!... I had four different orgainzations comin at me all the time... they wanted money for the radio I was playing in the restaurant which I was already paying sirius radio for...they wanted money for the tv I was already paying comcast for... they wanted money for the jukebox I was already paying for... they wanted money for all the bands I was already paying for... they wanted money for the cds I already paid for... how is a business owner supposed to make it paying double for everything... when 90% can make it anyway why do u think so many restaurants and bars close or change hands over and over...I paid bands 4 and 5 nights a week and somtimes 2 bands in the same night that adds up...I tried my best to support local people... over the course of those yrs I asked the musicians how much money they got from these people they just laughed...I would like to see how many people get any of the money...I will tell u who gets this money they do!!!!! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369042032057464736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-71134967634526686612012-08-23T17:42:45.426-07:002012-08-23T17:42:45.426-07:00I think your downplaying the role these people are...I think your downplaying the role these people are playing and mistaking their role in this....there's noway going after a venue is a justified way of protecting artists....and the help wanted ad means this is about to become more of an issue....I sent a link to a former club owner...hopefully he will chime in a give some insight on how they railroaded him and cost us a place to play music.....he says there's like 4 different ones....all claiming to be copywriter protectors.....they all want you to buy their license.....were are not stealing cable here.....we are playing music and singing to what we play.....but not downplaying your complaint....I have not heard your new CD yet.....but when I get it....I will get it from you....on a gig.......that someone, possibly yourself, played a cover tune on....either that night or the night before....but after the copywriter grumps get ahold of him......he has to stop getting live music at his place of business....now nobody has the gig.....and the song that was going to be written while playing music out on the gig or about the gig...will never be written.. catch 22....take it away Bob!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445634230341224025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-69095058666808066622012-08-23T15:22:02.710-07:002012-08-23T15:22:02.710-07:00And that wasn't meant to downgrade your commen...And that wasn't meant to downgrade your comment. I get what you are saying and how it could push some cover musicians out of work. I just don't think ASCAP is the enemy. And they aren't new. They've been doing it for 100 years. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13434836978049681966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-45223944310530567522012-08-23T15:16:05.808-07:002012-08-23T15:16:05.808-07:00Man I thought you were talking about some fly by n...Man I thought you were talking about some fly by night scammers. ASCAP Is a group formed BY artists and songwriters. It's sole purpose is to get money FOR people who create music. <br />I'm not saying its a perfect system but ASCAP (and other P.R.O.s) serve a vital role. They ceased to exist...trust me many more musicians would be hurt than are with them here. <br />There are plenty of dangerous rights scams circling out there of people trying to screw artists and songwriters. That's what I thought you were initially speaking of. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13434836978049681966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-13386709820956392722012-08-23T07:39:54.507-07:002012-08-23T07:39:54.507-07:00here is one of the job ads http://www.ihispano...here is one of the job ads http://www.ihispano.com/job-search/area-sales-representative.5274843.html?from=SimplyHired&utm_source=SimplyHired&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SimplyHired Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445634230341224025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-30506691814293491362012-08-23T06:51:44.971-07:002012-08-23T06:51:44.971-07:00Well if Brian is saying that "successful"...Well if Brian is saying that "successful" musicians make the majority of their money by extorting bar owners I say horse hockey.....because that's all these people are, extortionist.......Back in the day....if your not recording it, your just playing an instrument for other people.....its your interpretation of a song....why should Jimmy Buffet get paid for a dive bar rock star singing his song in a bar??.....Jimmy is the one that should be paying anyone in this case.....the bar singer is promoting his song......In my younger musical days back at Tabby Blues Box and Heritage Hall....one night I got up and did a song I wrote.....afterwards tabby called me over and asked me "Was that your song?".....I said yea tabby...was it alright?....he said it was real good....but you don't need to be singing your songs out there unless you have them copy-written, someone will steal them....then he proceeded to tell me how to do a poor-mans copy-write......then he says....just sing the other guys songs on stage......Where Tabby was coming from was why those copy-write laws were written...to protect the musician from the record-labels......now that a musician cant sell anything but T-shirts.....the copy-writer extortionists are going after the only other way a musician can play music for other people......and maybe pay a bill in the process......pretty soon we will only be able to go out and see a licensed hologram play his top 40 hit that is projected from a juke-box......now for those club owners that do get strong armed into paying....where does that money go?......to the artist?.....is there a counter around somewhere making sure every brown-eyed girl penny goes to Van Morrison?.......no.....its goes to the joint coalition of extortionists....and I will bet no artist ever sees a dime of that......and they are killing our craft the rest of the way.....slowly Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445634230341224025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-16886618515626684702012-08-22T16:47:22.317-07:002012-08-22T16:47:22.317-07:00I had about 3 paragraphs written.....and I did som...I had about 3 paragraphs written.....and I did something to make some editor sub-program pop in all over my extremely well written story and make it disappear.......grrrr.....maybe later..... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445634230341224025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-63724312533077032062012-08-22T16:18:42.064-07:002012-08-22T16:18:42.064-07:00yea we have had this conversation before....... ;)...yea we have had this conversation before....... ;) I will take "is in a Jagger-bomb" for $300. ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445634230341224025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-91190160784324833192012-08-22T15:18:15.423-07:002012-08-22T15:18:15.423-07:00Robby
I'm not sure I fully understand the proc...Robby<br />I'm not sure I fully understand the process you are speaking of (but I'd like to). If ya don't mind, explain it here a little more fully ( it could help spread info to the community). <br /><br />I've heard of some very shady practices beginning to imerge but I don't think it is exactly what you are speaking of. We need to get "our team" knowledged up so we can avoid treacherous scandals.<br /><br />thank you man<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13434836978049681966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-1564978398248158332012-08-22T15:14:30.784-07:002012-08-22T15:14:30.784-07:00Oooohhhh Robby. Sorry... The answer was "what...Oooohhhh Robby. Sorry... The answer was "what is the mechanism by which musicians make the majority of their money if they are "successful".... I will elaborate if there is interest :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11673380392118111855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171748340837625464.post-9386210666750550382012-08-22T11:18:06.778-07:002012-08-22T11:18:06.778-07:00I also wanted to make this spin on the "new m... I also wanted to make this spin on the "new music industry" We just ran across this add the other day for a job in the mobile area.....They were recruiting people to sell copy-write licenses to local establishments that have live music.....It looks like they are going to be coming at this town hard-core......I have had 1 other experience with this type of "Copy-writer enforcement sales-person".....that works solely on commission......laying their sights in on a bar-owner.......the end result was the bar quit having live music.......It is my opinion that now the "record labels" are using the same laws created to protect the musician from "the record labels" to go after and bleed the only outlet the already struggling musician has to try new songs, write new songs and just become better at what they do........the jukebox has a license....but we do-not......the live-music-room has to pay a very large amount of money just to let us play any bar-room cover tunes......if your bar has not been hit yet.....get ready.....its coming!! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445634230341224025noreply@blogger.com